Sunday, February 15, 2009

Dear Agent Haug of the FBI:


Agent Haug:

I don't know at this writing if you're still with the FBI or at any field office in New Jersey nor even whether you still head up the Bureau's Joint Terrorism Task Force at that field office. If so, then you'll want to hear this.

I know for a fact that, with hideous irony, Hal Turner used to be an informant for the FBI and that you were his handler. I say "hideous irony" because, as I hope you know, Turner has acquired some small reputation as a fringe looney advocating "patriotic assassination" against government officials and inciting open rebellion against the very same federal government for whom you work.

The very notion of Turner pretending to flush out these dangerous lunatics with his hateful, racist rhetoric is beneath laughter. What I find much more disturbing is that the FBI actually and actively seeks out this bloated clown's guidance in flushing out potential terrorists/assassins.

Considering his hatred of anything that smells of liberality and common sense, do you honestly believe that Turner gives a shit if someone offs Senator Russ Feingold, next to Ted Kennedy the most liberal and progressive member of the US Senate?

Apparently, Turner was "working" with the FBI as recently as 2007 (I pulled your FBI email address off a site in my research on Turner's connection to you and the Bureau). I'm not getting any indication that such a relationship still exists or whether or not he's fallen into bad odor with the Bureau but since Hal and I had become, uh, acquainted yesterday when he trolled my blog I've decided to start paying some more attention to him.

Some time last year, Turner had started a blog on Blogger.com and is apparently up to his old tricks. At least every other day, he advocates assassinating not just one public official or another but all 246 congressmen and congresswomen who had voted for the recent Recovery or Stimulus bill.

Now, my pal Hal assures me that he's staying within the parameters of the law in his rhetoric and legal minds have given me the gloomy news that someone has to be wounded or killed and have it directly tied to Turner before anyone can even bring conspiracy charges against him.

Turner himself had even given me the number to the FBI field office in New Jersey and dared me to call and to see what happens. I've, obviously, decided to get a little more personal.

Now, I've heard and read accounts where people were arrested and even brought up on charges of threatening the President even when the "evidence" was specious and circumstantial at best. Obviously, the FBI and Secret Service should not, nor do not, have to wait before something tragic happens to the Chief Executive before taking action.

It's a no-brainer that if Turner had substituted "congressmen" for "Obama", it would be a crime yet I do not nor cannot believe that making overt threats against a democratically-elected official beneath the President is not actionable.

Turner is not trying to flush out crazies and to get them arrested. His track record as a white supremacist makes that absurd. And, we both have to ask ourselves, Agent Haug, as to what the fallout would be for you personally, and the FBI collectively, if this violent racist's initiatives were to translate into violence and/or tragedy, especially after if becomes public knowledge that the FBI actually used him as a resource.

Turner's blog URL, if you don't know, is http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/ (God only knows why he's naming it after a defunct radio show that he hasn't made in well over four years). It would be very well worth your time to see what he's still advocating these days and the odious element that he's attracting.

Your response ought to be interesting, to say the least. Note, also, that this email is getting CC'd directly to Turner's secret12 address @ optonline.net. Just so it's all on the up and up and he can't claim that I've blindsided him.

Sincerely,

Robert Crawford
http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com

20 Comments:

At February 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Anonymous Kootenay said...

Yay JP! Go get 'em, tiger!

 
At February 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

You got it, girl.

I'm asking the General for his help since just under a year ago he was contacted by the Secret Service about a threat to President Obama's life that he almost immediately pulled down off his website.

This is just the beginning...

 
At February 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Blogger Rehctaw said...

I've reported Turner's blog as in violation of Blogger's Term of use.


"After we kill the ones who wrecked"
regardless of disclaimers, presupposes his targeting will spur actions.

As such it is violent content and ONE violation. I skimmed through and saw at least 5 other similar statements.

Now I guess I need to watch my back too...
Happy to join ya for this one...

 
At February 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Anonymous Uncle Glenny said...

Damn. I ran out of brain bleach.

Doesn't SPLC have him in their crosshairs (so to speak)?

 
At February 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Blogger ignatov said...

Why not link to a specific post? Here's one I found:

"WE THE PEOPLE may have to use force and violence to effect change via assassination of members of Congress"

and

"I have no plans - at this time - to actually undertake the actions mentioned below and you shouldn't either. I am merely observing that the methods outlined below are possible and would be effective if undertaken." (Bold emphasis in the original.)

http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2008/12/overthrowing-us-government.html

 
At February 15, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Blogger Wayne A. Schneider said...

I told Hal Turner (at his blog) that I thought he was sick and really needed to seek professional help. I don't know if he took my comment out of moderation, and I'm not exactly eager to check. I suppose I should, since if he approved it, he likely responded to it.

Keep up the great work, jp. I'm with you on this one, that's for sure.

 
At February 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

Doesn't SPLC have him in their crosshairs (so to speak)?

Ya betcha. He's already threatened the lives of at least two presidents yet this clown is still spewing his sewage on the internet.

Wayne, thanks again. Yeah, I saw your comment there.

Btw, you were dreamy when you were younger.

(That's to piss Turner off.)

 
At February 15, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Blogger Bukko_in_Australia said...

As far as the Feds using dangerous characters to do informant dirty work, in your neck of the nation you no doubt recall how badly that worked out with the FBI and the Boston Mob, JP. What I wonder is, what would the reaction be if it was a LEFT-wing group advocating the assassination of bank maggots like Alan Greenspan, John Thain and Robert Rubin? You think Michelle Malkin et. al. would be screaming about that?

 
At February 15, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Blogger WereBear said...

I reported it too. After the shooting in the Unitarian church, is there any question that loose nuts take this sort of thing much too literally?

 
At February 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

As far as the Feds using dangerous characters to do informant dirty work, in your neck of the nation you no doubt recall how badly that worked out with the FBI and the Boston Mob, JP.

Oh do I indeed. Using a button man as an informant had hair and warts all over it from the start. And, in the end, they still never got Whitey Bulger and never will.

If the tables were turned, she and her flying monkey hoards would be screaming themselves hoarse.

 
At February 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Blogger Wayne A. Schneider said...

Glad to help, JP. ;)

I'll let you know if I hear back from anyone about this. I flagged his blog, also, and they say they'll look at it. Someone will have to be brave and visit his blog to see if and what he has to say about it.

 
At February 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Blogger SJohn said...

I've reported it too. Much as I hate the idea of censorship, multiple serial murder threats really do require attention.

And typing "multiple serial murder threats" was maybe just a little bit too much fun... am I a bad person?

 
At February 15, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. When I looked at his website and saw his address, it jogged a memory. I remember a discussion of this dope over at Atrios' place quite a long time ago. His address, Paterson Plank Road, is exclusively an industrial area. He must live in a warehouse.

 
At February 15, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Anonymous Carlossan said...

18 USC 871 makes it illegal to threaten the president or the next in the line of succession. It is very rarely prosecuted - the Secret Service receives hundreds of threats per day. It is, however, used to justify a great deal of investigation.

I would be surprised if Hal Turner's call-in line isn't tapped, even if he hadn't been a cooperative informant.

 
At February 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Blogger HelenWheels said...

Thanks for taking on this racist douche-bag. I saw your commment at Sadly, No, and took a little visit over to the ignorant carnage that his his blog (and its moronic mouth-breather comment section).

That guy's blog should not be up, period. If you or I did that, we'd be shut down and investigated immediately.

The fact this slimeball actually gets interviews on CNN, etc., gives me pause. How much freakin' power and influence do the MSM have? I've known it was bad for awhile, but if they are in essence legitimizing a domestic terrorist, well, that's about as fucked up as it gets.

Anyone watch his "interviews"? I don't think I can stomach them, but I am going to contact every news organization that has allowed that disgusting asswipe in front of their cameras.

 
At February 16, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this post he suggests killing all members who voted for the stimulus package and says that he will be providing home addresses.

http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/they-didnt-read-trillion-bill.html

Will anything be done about him? Considering this...

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/state/x2084320886

, probably not. How is he not in jail? Why will nothing be done about his behavior until somebody is actually attacked?

 
At February 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Blogger Peter said...

Yah, I flagged the blog. As for the FBI, I think a call really is in order.

Some other people/places that have made note of Turner in the past:
NewsHounds (via HuffPo)
Max Blumenthal (@ Teh Nation, doncha know)

Cute. Looks like he sued 4chan.org and others, case dismissed (Mail Returned as Undeliverable. Mail sent to HAROLD C. TURNER (DD, ) (Entered: May 1, 2007))

Definitely get the General in on this - the exposure would be great. Also, you could try to get someone over at the Great Orange Satan into it. Maybe a tip/reminder to Max B.?

 
At February 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Blogger Peter said...

How interesting! Take a look at the street view for Hal's listed address.
Niiice

 
At February 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

Peter: Any idea how I can reach Max B? I can't seem to find his email address at either The Nation or elsewhere. And, yeah, it looks like 1906 Paterson Plank Rd is either a mailing address or Hal 900 lives in a warehouse along with the other rats and roaches.

Koot: You're my kinda gal. Shame you're happily spoken for.

Helen: Sadly No! linked to me for the first time today and I just lambasted them for not doing so in their full-length treatment of Turner. The link to my blog was inserted in an update at the very bottom of the post. Oops.

SJohn and othes: Thank you for your support in this matter. Maybe this is the reason why Hal's decided to hang it up for now. Maybe he's heard from the folks at teh Google.

 
At February 16, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Anonymous mdh said...

an agent blogateur?

(this term is stolen from teh greater interwebs)

 

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