Thursday, February 19, 2009

Just to Let You All Know What We're Up Against







Believe it or not, when I crossposted last night's post on Democratic Underground, people had the nerve to say I was lying or exaggerating about what Hal Turner's threatening to do. He's hiding behind the First Amendment so he can subvert the Fourth Amendment rights of almost 250 lawmakers so someone can go out and shoot them so he can then do the Pontius Pilate thing and wash his hands of the whole affair and say, "But I was only joking!"

I've studiously avoided mentioning Turner's name on this blog because, frankly, I was legitimately afraid for my family, particularly for a certain young member. I was understandably fearing for a family that was never mine and never will be but that I nonetheless love more than words can express.

All that came to a crashing end tonight and I won't be living here much longer. That means, in all likelihood, I won't be blogging much longer. But taking down this fat freak Hal Turner would a helluva way for me to go out, doncha all think?

So if Hal's narcissism is running true to form and he takes a break from collecting all the addresses and phone numbers of those 246 Congressmen to see who's been writing about him, then he's sure to read this.

Hal, it never ceases to amaze me at how cruel life can be. While I'll be sleeping alone soon, you'll be sleeping next to a wife. While you live in a paid-for home, free of foreclosure worries, I'll be living in a rooming house considering I can get even that with my meager income.

Soon I'll be untraceable, invisible and more pissed off than even my gift for words can possibly express. So will that make me less dangerous or more?

Your hateful post is reproduced in full and no matter whether you take it down (as so many things disappear in Hal Turner World do) or revise it to make it less inflammatory (as also happens in your twisted world), the above screengrabs are forever, to be reproduced by whomever to their heart's content.

In the time remaining to me here in the only home I've ever had in 15+ years, I will make it my business to hound you out of existence in every way imaginable. I'm losing the only woman I've ever truly loved, my home and my family and I'm not very happy about it.

My rage is unfocused but I will focus it on you. I and others have already written to many of the 246 Congresspeople whom you've targeted. I have written to the FBI. I have written to the Transportation Security Administration. I have written the Capitol Police. Soon I will write to the North Bergen Police Department, the New Jersey field office of the Secret Service, Gov. Corzine's office, the Hudson County DA's office, both your senator's offices and whatever New Jersey media I can get to listen to me.

That should sufficiently do more than irritate you, what d'ya think, Harry?

So go ahead, send your phantom neonazis. By the time they get off their asses, I'll be gone. Or, if you really are as advertised, when they get here they'll meet a former SEAL with no reason to live and many reasons to die. All I ever tried to do is the right thing by my family and loved ones, side with the angels and my reward is homelessness and rejection.

I never went on my blog and told people to kill elected officials simply because they didn't vote my way. I only suggested we vote them out. I never literally sold my own followers up the river and to the FBI for following my initiatives and tried to pretend to be a good guy the whole time.

And I don't take a dime of the government's money for protecting said government by then going back and threatening it while cowering behind a ghost army of skinheads and bleating about first amendment rights.

You're going to be sleeping with your wife tonight. I'll be sleeping alone. You'll be doing it in a paid-off house while I'll be homeless soon.

I've long since given up any hope that there's a compassionate God in this universe. You're proof positive that there's not.

And you'll be screaming for Him to end your worthless, hateful, wasted, pathetic excuse for a life long before I'm done with you and we'll see if Sean Hannity comes running to your rescue.

Update: I've just emailed the Hudson County DA's Office (their email addy is hcpo@hcpo.org) alerting them as to what Turner's been threatening to do. I don't know if this is a county DA matter or a federal one that has to be investigated by Holder's Justice Dept. but I'm reaching people bit by bit.

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At February 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Blogger John Bisceglia said...

Yep - It's war folks. And the long lineage of racism-sexism-hatism in America is as DEEP and WIDE as any male GOP's "heterosexually-identified" butt crack.

Anyone who is paying attention has got to wonder when the Queer Community will gain the DIGNITY to finally say, “You know what, America? You want to EXCLUSE us? Fine. We’re taking our hard-earned TAX DOLLARS with us”.

“I refuse to be treated like dog poop legally in the U.S.A. in 2009. Period”

Given that the federal government EXCLUDES our families from U.S. law., why do we continue acting as if things are OK? A heterosexual in the EXACT SAME LEGAL SHOES would have gone to a far more extreme reaction than a mere tax revolt; most “He-Men” Americans would grab their gun if American Law worked tirelessly to demoralize, degrade, and oppress their family.

We made a GRAVE mistake when we ALLOWED society to be able to vote on our family’s legal worth, along with votes on school levies, bridge construction, and toll roads. That further trivialized our families and children in the eyes of the law.

We should have rioted in the streets the second things like PROP 8 first appeared.

Fuck being "nice".
Fuck being "timid".

Are you FED UP with "having to be liked enough" for equality?

Do you believe equality is OURS TO TAKE and refuse to beg for it?

Amend the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to include Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression!

EQUALITY TAX REVOLT - Wednesday, April 15, 2009

 
At February 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Blogger John Bisceglia said...

BTW- Wishing you safety and peace. I just caught wind of this via NG's blog.

But I sincerely understand a bity of where you are comin gfrom when you wrote:

"more pissed off than even my gift for words can possibly express. So will that make me less dangerous or more?"

America doesn't realize that its institutionalized HATE against our families and loved ones DOES have repercussions. Hey, I used to be a tax-paying, law-abiding, peace-loving preschool teacher of music; now I am borderline homicidal when it comes to haters, ANTI-government (because it's tirelessly ANTI-me), and a tax revolt advocate.

Let HETERO American pay for their fucking country until they INCLUDE our families!

 
At February 19, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Blogger HalTurnerShow.com said...

Let's get a couple things straight:

I have a problem with you, NOT your family.

If I have a problem with someone, I take it up with THEM, never their family.

I have a wife and child too. I never want anyone who has a problem with ME to go after THEM. As such, I don't go after innocents.

Members of Congress are not innocent.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi JP,

This is disturbing.

So the FBI is allowing Hal Turner to spew his hate speech all over the web in exchange for him turning them onto his hoards of redneck hate groups and homegrown terrorists. If that's the case, it's a wonder those under educated racist gun-toting hillbillies aren’t bright enough to turn on Turner. Looks like he's being a traitor to all sides.

I managed a social network where we had one of those multiple personality disorder stalkers who did everything she could to annoy people on our site. One day she called the FBI on one of our bloggers after he posted a cartoon of Bush under which he had written something like 'I can't believe someone hasn't shot this guy yet!' Not a smart thing to do… nor legal it turns out, but the rest of his blog only featured cat videos and vintage movie posters.

A couple of days later [!!] the FBI showed up at our office to track him down. He emailed me the next day to let me know that the FBI had come to his house, sat down with him at his computer and made him take the cartoon down. All that time and effort for a cartoon! That’s how I’ve seen the FBI respond to an online cartoon ‘death threat.’

So can anyone explain why the FBI, Secret Service and Homeland Security have continued to allow Turner to post threats and calls to violent, illegal action for loose screws everywhere; encouraging them to head to our nations capitol with loaded guns to shoot down democratically elected representatives!? WTF!?

Turner’s site hasn’t been taken down nor has he been hauled into court to face a judge? I’ve seen more justice on Animal Cops South Africa!

Anyways, thanks for exposing this scary, dark stuff to the light of day. I support your efforts in this matter and agree that this should be addressed immediately by law enforcement.

We go by the book, they burn the books. We use words and vote, they shoot to kill.

Plunk

 
At February 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

stay chilly bro. you got the number.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Anonymous Comrade Rutherford said...

"So can anyone explain why [Turner can get away with this?"

That's easy, he is a Republican. Republicans are above the law and not bound by the US Constitution. Bush proved that once and for all.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out the Southern Poverty Law Center's 'Hate Groups Map.' http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

 
At February 20, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Blogger Mr. 618 said...

Hey, JP, if you get stuck and don't mind Maine, email me.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Blogger Bukko_in_Australia said...

People on DU claimed you were making up crap without checking out Turner's actual blogposts (which I'm sure you provided a link to)? How can someone say "You're lying" without first checking the truth? How hard is it to click a hyperlink? Conservetards aren't the only ones who are stupid.

As for where you are compared to Testicle Turner, JP, just think what it must be like to be him. He might brag about his paid-off house and loving wife, but do you know that any of that is true? If a person lies about some things, as he does with his farcical tales of taking revenge as far away as Australia, he's probably lying about all things.

It's been my experience that people who do wrong are miserable in their personal lives. The same personality defect that makes them angry liars plays out in their personal relationships, their jobs, the general way they deal with life. I reckon that everyone around Testicle-Boy is disgusted with him, because the squirming worm of a brain that brings him to spew such crapola doesn't just express itself at the keyboard.

I doubt he's living large in the material world, either. What does he do for a living? Begging for money to to a radio show didn't seem to pan out financially. Is he immune from the economic downturn? Did he take out a HELOC on this allegedly "paid-for" house? He'd like you to imagine he's living the American Dream, but scummy people wind up living scummy lives.

As a double-agent rat working for the FBI, Testicleturner must also live in fear. G-Men like to squeeze their finks. "Give up some new names, Ratso, or we'll rat YOU out to these tattooed Aryan Brotherhood guys who just got out after doing 20." He's like a rat on a treadmill, never knowing when he'll be grabbed and stuffed in a car boot, to be killed by the people he encouraged (hopefully after a fitting period of sadistic torture.)

You're going through some rough times, but you seem to have a steady job, from things you've said in the past. You also seem to have the mental toughness it takes to bounce back. And from what people like MB and other have said, you have friends who will watch your back. True friends will get you through hard times. All this pathetic Turner can do is keep LOOKING BACK, back over his shoulder, to see if his killer has just stepped out of the shadows...

 
At February 20, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

I'm still kicking, guys, but I have to stay away for a while.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Pork,
Don't get too down. People like Turner invariably get theirs.

You know you have friends on line and you do a great service for us, like exposing Turner.

Just take care of yourself for us, will you?

Wish me happy birthday--getting old, 68 today.

Older_Wiser

 
At February 20, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BTW, Hal Turner's blog is alive and kicking, several posts today, 2/20, including one celebrating his friend, "Yankee Jim", a POS who killed his wife, and said he regretted he hadn't helped him dispose of the "slut's body" instead of YJ committing suicide.

Evidently, not only does Turner hate anyone who's not white, he hates anyone who's not male, either.

Therefore, using his own twisted reasoning, Hal Turner is a homosexual.

Older_Wiser

 
At February 20, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Anonymous Kootenay said...

Hang tough big guy. It's been my observation (over more years than I like to confess to) that when one member of a family decides to call it quits, the rest of the family doesn't necessarily agree. Are you sure they're all divorcing you, or is it maybe only your erstwhile spouse? Give 'em a little time - the family tends to tread carefully during a break-up, but most of the time if you've been close before you'll end up being close again. Don't give up on the rest of them just yet.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rock on JP. Don' let the bastard get you down.

 
At February 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Blogger Juan Moment said...

You're going to be sleeping with your wife tonight. I'll be sleeping alone.

Count yourself lucky JP, without having seen her, I'd much rather sleep alone than with Hate Turnips's wife.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Anonymous Comrade Rutherford said...

JP and I were emailing yesterday and, without divulging details, I'll just say he is having a really, really hard time right now with is home life.

So let's all give JP lots and lots of love. And understand that he won't have much time to be online for the forseeable future.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Anonymous Mutant Of The Monster said...

Good luck with everything JP,I hope everything turns out well for you.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

Older_Wiser: Yeah, I know. I keep tabs on his blog. Let's just say that, for now, it's best if we keep it up so we can all see what he's been up to.

Btw, belated Happy Birthday. Yesterday was the SO's birthday, too.

Robin: Thanks, but I don't need to be coddled by anyone but my own immediate family, even though that's not happening. I'll be spending a lot of my home time doing home repairs that I've been neglecting. Like I'm Bob friggin' Vila. Still, this is what she wants and I need to win her heart an min back. The alternative is unthinkable.

Kootenay: I got the CD in the mail a coule of days ago. I'll play it and let you know what I think ASAP.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anonymous skylab said...

Dropped over here via cross post from Crooks and Liars. It stuns me what bags like Turner can get away with. Nice work exposing this guy.
None of use here really thought things like this (or the calls for "tea party" protests etc etc) would not happen though. Did we?

Best of luck with your current tribulations my man. You can't have peaks with valleys.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Blogger The Sailor said...

You made Crooks & Liars blog roundup and via them VidiotSpeak and SteveAudio. And I'm sure many more.

My best wishes for the future, I hope your personal travails have a happy ending. As lonely as you may feel, you are not alone.

p.s. If Hal Turner didn't mean for families to be collateral damage, at best, he wouldn't be going after the homes of people he disagrees with.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

Dude, I'm not Michelle Malkin and never will be. For starters, I have a passion for the truth.

I'd like to think my readers trust me more than that.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Blogger nunya said...

Uummmm. I didn' think that I could be stunned by vituperrious right wingers. Guess I was wrong.

I'm here.

 
At February 21, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

This is the full text of the letter that I've just written to the North Bergen Police Dept:

"Sir/M'am:

This is regards to a man named Hal Turner of North Bergen. No doubt he's already notorious to your department as he is also is with the FBI, BATF and the Secret Service.

Last February 13, Turner published on his blog a post that threatened the lives of 246 members of Congress because he didn't appreciate the way they voted on the stimulus bill that passed in the House that same day. The post can be found here: http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/they-didnt-read-trillion-bill.html

In the event that Turner realizes he violated the law, he could easily take down the post (even though cached pages exist) so please find three attachments of a trio of screengrabs of the post that I've referenced.

In this, Turner wrote,

"In my opinion, it would be right for us to pick up guns, walk up to each of the 246 members of the United States House of Representatives who just spent a trillion dollars without reading the spending Bill and shoot them. Dead.

This weekend, I will be researching the home addresses and private home telephone numbers for each of the 246 members of the House that betrayed us. I will publish those addresses on the internet through file sharing sites and/or through public newsgroups so the private info is dispersed quickly and widely.

I want members of Congress to be confronted at their homes -- where they don't have massive security protecting them. I want members of Congress to be intercepted when they drive from home to the store."

Not only is Turner exhorting people in 246 Congressional districts to kill these lawmakers, he's even giving specific advice as to how to go about doing this. The dissemination of the personal information of these lawmakers is merely a means toward what could be a very tragic end if even one lawmaker is targeted. And if he makes good on his threat to release this massive cache of private information, he could be publishing the street addresses of the permanent residences in their home states, which could theoretically involve these lawmakers' families.

Now, in case you're ready to dismiss me as being an alarmist, allow me to add that the dissemination of private information and openly calling for the assassination of democratically-elected officials are tried-and-true tactics of Turner. He has done this before. The most notable instance was in the fall of 2005 when Judge Joan Lefkow ruled against a fellow white supremacist and Turner released her private information on the internet. Within days, another white supremacist slaughtered Judge Lefkow's husband and mother. The ADL's story on the matter can be found here: http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/hal_turner_threats_10305.htm

While Hal Turner's contempt for the 4th amendment rights, lives and safety of others is exceeded only by his contempt for African Americans, Catholics, Latinos, gays, liberals and Democrats, his threats often come to nothing. However, it's not what Turner is threatening to do that scares me but what he may yet get to have someone do on his behalf.

I think part of the reason why Turner can do this for years on end with seeming impunity is because he is/was a paid informant for the FBI (his handler was Special Agent Stephen Haug out of, I believe, the Newark field office). In a supremely monstrous irony, the people that Turner had turned in to the FBI are his very readers, those who echo his calls for vigilantism and make the same threats that Turner continues to make from his North Bergen bunker. His cover story is that he's really a good guy merely pretending to be a bad guy so his rhetoric flushes out potential assassins. Yet the man has appeared and spoken at white supremacist and Aryan Nation gatherings for many years.

I've already alerted Agent Haug to this and, typically, I have not received a reply nor ever expect to get one. I've also alerted dozens of the 246 members of Congress targeted by Turner, the Hudson County DA's office, the DC Capitol Police, the TSA, DHS and other agencies.

But start local, I say. I also say the sooner this animal is picked up and taken off the streets, the better. I'm not a lawyer but I cannot see how Turner's over-the-top rants and threats can be construed by even the most benevolent of legal interpretations no matter who pays him taxpayer dollars. And God forbid even one person should come to harm as a result of Turner's exhortations, how would it look for the FBI if the media should find out that Turner is/was a paid informant of theirs for years?

Thank you for your attention. Whether action is taken or not, I'd like to be apprised either way by your department.

Robert Crawford"

This is their email address (info@northbergenpolice.com) if any of you are feeling frisky.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to alert the NJ media...

 
At February 21, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Blogger The Sailor said...

JP, I answered your comment by a comment on my blog.

No offense meant, to me malkin=unhinged, and as I pointed out in my post and my comment, I was wrong.

Best regards,

Sailor

 
At February 26, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Anonymous teammarty said...

Don't hold your breath, they're still investigating G. Gordon Liddy for assasination tips on Clinton (always go for the head).

 

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